RE: Ali's Good Copy Bad Copy

Ali said:
Good Copy Bad Copy wasn't what I was expected at all. I thought it was going to be a boring documentary about how wrong it is to use other people's work. Instead I was pleasantly surprised with the cultural movement the internet had with the making of music. I hear all he time how people are losing jobs in the music industry and the internet is ruining music. I disagree actually, and agree with the man who stated that the business has to embrace it and change. The power of the internet cannot be controlled nor should it, which was pointed out with the 'pirate bay' people. That would be violated our rights as people. I also found it very interesting that they were correct with they don't have the same laws we have here in America, so who are we to say it's wrong and interfere. I loved what Brazil was doing wit the music how awesome it was to come end the documentary with it coming back to the producer in America. These people don't want money they want to just create, they should be able to do just that.

I said:
we are disagreeing sharply on this Ali, (in friendly discourse, of course)

I spoke on this a couple of Blog entries ago (LOL- I posted a lot today)
I agree that the internet should not be controlled and I am pro creative expression, but as a creative myself, I do have pause with someone anywhere using my work without my permission, even if it is just to party. If they ask, I may be cool with it (though I doubt that they are partying without making ANY money)

also; I stated in my post on Good Copy Bad Copy
“I don’t think that because you like what I do, you are automatically entitled to it without my permission because you are a consumer.  Using that rationale, it won’t be around long because it is no longer profitable for the source of the work to bother producing it. “

These producers weren’t just using music for the sake of music, they were using an actual well-known artist’s piece who is hot right now and tweaked it to a style for their needs. If it was just music for music sake, why didn’t they just make their own? I am quite doubtful that they did not know that was Gnarls Barkley. It is used because it’s  “hot” right now.

I think there may be some form of middle ground, but this may not be the right one.

Just my thoughts,
JCIII

Wk 1: Creative Commons

I haven't used Creative Commons as much as I should but I love the concept as it eliminates any unintentional infringement on the web.

This may be somewhat of a "no-brainer" however; I will however off up for consideration, the theory that CC it is only a benefit for the aforementioned group and may not seriously deter any infringement by  anyone who had no intention of using proper channels to acquire media.....

what do you think?

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on February 21, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Admin said:
Yeah, and Fairey could have just asked either Garcia or AP for permission before using the photo and it would have all gone away. Part of APs problem is they are still living in the world where they have photographers covering stories and then posting the photos so that they can be “published” via AP and they’re still treating it all like in the days when we could only get our news and news photos via the daily deliveries of a dead-tree-edition on ones doorstep every morning or evening. Sad. The world has changed.

I said:
Honestly, This is very insightful, as I was not aware that a graphic rendition of the image was a copyright infringement, though as I think about it it makes sense (maybe I just did not think about it) This is very interesting. I have done graphic representation of people (and myself) before for personal logo and personal designs, but they were the clients.

I guess the best thing I get from this is a cautionary tale.
JCIII

Wk1: Good Copy Bad Copy

Though it was longer than I expected when I sat down to look at it, Good Copy Bad Copy was an interesting documentary. I t truly generated the most passionate responses I have had to date regarding Copyright; even from the standpoint of a creative professional.

I can’t help but wonder throughout the piece if the responses from those who infringe would be the same if it was their work. Honestly I kept thinking that the reason most were so cavalier about their efforts was because it was someone else’s.

I thought a lot of the Copyright myth #6 that says that an original work created from someone else's work belongs to me.  When I watched the segments on GirlTalk and Tecno Brega, each seem to show some form of creative expression, but when I found myself trying to see things from their standpoint they point out the holes in that theory by, instead of pointing out the original recordings created and hanging their hat on that rationale; choosing to either point out others that have done it and not been penalizing (Tecno Brega/DangerMouse’s Gray Album) or saying that they aren’t hurting anyone and current laws are “inhibiting the flow of culture and Music”  (GirlTalk)

On another note, as I watched the rest of the video I noticed that that most of the violators did not care much either because it wasn’t a crime in their country or because it wasn’t work from their country For example, The Nigerian Piracy trade did not care about pirating "foreign" movies because, unlike Nigerian producers, the foreign producers didn't come in to their shops so the were less likely to get arrested.  In Sweden, the piracy, according to Pirate Bay, wasn’t illegal, though the work they shared wasn’t Swedish work.

Being a creative, I straddle the fence on creative freedom, but I don’t think that because you like what I do, you are automatically entitled to it without my permission because you are a consumer.  Using that rationale, it won’t be around long because it is no longer profitable for the source of the work to bother producing it.

RE: Why is Copyright so Hard????

Marsona J’s Blog:

Post: MAC Week 1 Post - Why is Copyright so Hard????

Since we are reading and discussing copyright, I thought this was the perfect time to get feedback on an ongoing problem with students today. I teach 8th grade Computer Literacy and I think I really have some really great students. I teach a three week unit on Copyright where we discuss what is copyright, what can and cannot be copy-written, and fair use guidelines. Our students have a lot expected of them and are required to complete Science and History Fair projects where they must do research. The problem is when doing their research, they tend to just copy just what they see instead of rephrasing and/or siting their sources.

This really becomes a problem when they attempt to compete in district and state fairs and are often disqualified because of copyright issues. Some say they are too young to really understand that using someone else's material and claiming it as their own is not really a big problem. But they tend to understand everything else.

Please feel free to comment on this issue your thoughts and or solutions.
Thanks

June 2, 2011 12:17 PM John Carter said...

Perhaps for the purpose of getting them in the habit of asking for permission, make the letter of request for usage part of the assignment guidelines. (make it part of the grade points)

Even if they are using something with "fair use" make them write it out anyway. They need not know what is and is not fair use all the time because it is more important for them to get in the habit of legally requesting use of others work. (especially if they are seriously considering a creating vocation)
JC111

Wk1: Copyright: Interesting Paradox

All,
Since we are talking copyright, I think of this situation.

Consider this....

My Aunt, just Passed. she has only one child who is "unavailable", but upon her passing her legal matters were in the hands of her niece.

these links to records she sang on were found on YouTube. Who owns the rights? The record company. My Cousin, Her son, (You Tube?)

Interesting, is it not?
JCIII

Wk 1: Copyright Issues Part 1: Intro to Copyright

I find the most interesting Myth is the one that Mr. B mentioned as the one where all the battling over copyright is going on (#6 if I make up my own stories but based them on another work, then my work belongs to me)

Initially it seems like that would be cut and dry violation, but my concern with that is the fact that most creative expression does not come about in a vacuum. The fact that their is a lot of constant give and take, and inspiration collaboration, variation and imitation between all creative professionals means that this may always be a ongoing debate expect in blatant ripoffs of people's work.

perhaps that is why their is so much legal rambling in the courts about it.